higher than vice president biden. higher than any of the potential 2016 republican candidates out there. first, you think she's going to run? >> i don't know yet, wolf. what i know is that she's committed to, you know, closing out her tenure at the state department, doing a great job at the state department. perhaps resting a little bit. we'll see what happens in 2014/2015. let me just say this, as vice chair of the party, there will probably be other candidates who will also seek the presidency in 2016. >> we'll get to that. do you think she's going to run? >> i have no idea. every smart person says she will. it sounds like it, but the challenge for republicans is to stop thinking so much about who and to start thinking more about what. what will the democratic message be in 2016 and in the four years leading up and what will the message the republicans have now? that was such an important message you raised in your last interview, can we start talking about ideas and not just about personalities. >> because most of